RT @GameDayFootball: USC: 4 years probation; two year bowl ban; 30 scholarships; vacated wins from 12/04 to 1/06; “lack of institutional control.”
RT @GameDayFootball: USC: 4 years probation; two year bowl ban; 30 scholarships; vacated wins from 12/04 to 1/06; “lack of institutional control.”
Bullshit.
To expand, none of this actually solves anything. These punishments not only don’t fit the crime they do little to deter players from engaging in the same behiavor in the future. Reggie Bush is making MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. None of that changes. Plus vacating wins? Punishing players and fans who had absolutely nothing to do with this?
What punishment would fit the crime, though? Something had to be done. I guarantee you won’t see other schools trying this anytime soon. Sure, it may not deter some players, but it will certainly make the administrators and coaching staffs far more alert to this sort of thing.
I’m an ND fan, but I genuinely feel bad for USC (not for Bush or Carroll or anyone involved), but certainly for the fans and players. This sucks for all of college football
kcatnd – I spelled some of it out on Facebook, but i’ll repeat here some of my ideas one what would be appropriate.
First, retroactive forfeiture should never (or almost never, i’m sure there are a select few valid reasons) for off-field activity. USC played in and won those games fair and square. Unless Bush (or someone) was taking steroids, then no, no forfeiture should occur. Period.
Second, punishing current players and fans for nothing they did wrong is ridiculous. Bowl bans do just that. There shouldn’t be bowl bans.
So what do you do? What is the main motivation here? Punishment should fit the crime and should serve a demotivator for future occurences. How do you do that without violating the two areas I mentiond above?
Easy, the answer is MONEY.
Fine the University a huge amount to cover some of the gains it recieved during the Reggie Bush era.
Prohibit the University from making money from post season play. The team can still go to a bowl game, they just can’t make money from it. This could include money it recieves from other teams in its conferences appearances as well.
Scholarship reduction is fine, no problem with that.
How about increased oversight from the NCAA? Like direct oversight. Thats what happened to microsoft with the anti-trust case, its happened elsewhere. If you want to make sure they are following the rules, require them to be monitored like Iraq after the gulf wars.
Probation is fine as well, stronger penalties for continued poor behavior.
Further, and most importantly, the NCAA needs to explore its legal options for holding players financially accountable in the future. If Bush could be punished now with monetary penalties that would go a long way towards preventing this in the future. Right now as the process exists there is little incentive for someone like him to benefit in the same fashion at any school because by the time they are “caught” the NCAA can no longer punish them, they are off making millions in the pros.
As it stands the people being punished aren’t the ones responsible. Thats just wrong.
Oh yeah, and Mike Garrett should be forced to resign/fired, the NCAA should e able to mandate that in a situation like this.
David, that accepts the premise that what Bush did is actually some how wrong. Which it isn’t. The NCAA rule is wrong, irrational, and usurious. The NCAA makes a mint of the athletes that they do nothing for. Why on earth should student athletes not be allowed to make decisions that protect their own best interest. The NCAA needs to adjust to reality or it needs to go away.
I’ve never particularly likes the NCAA, there is just a whole lot of stupid going on there. But this is ridiculous. The NCAA needs to get their own ass handed to them for this asshattery.
“USC played in and won those games fair and square. Unless Bush (or someone) was taking steroids, then no, no forfeiture should occur. Period.”
But Bush was an ineligible player. He shouldn’t have even been in the games. With your logic, why not bring in a bunch of secret NFL ringers, win a game, and then claim that it was won fair and square “on the field” regardless of how illegal it was.
You guys are doing backwards somersaults trying to justify and blame. I get it – you’re pissed off, but USC broke the rules and the penalties for doing so were quite clear from precedent. Look at Alabama.
No kcatnd its not the same, he wasn’t ineligble for athletic reasons and declaring so retroactively is asinine at this point. Its not backward somersaults, its pointing out the punishment doesn’t match the crime.
Where is your prof. The NCAA report is shoddy even by journalistic standards much less legal ones.
Seriously, if these are the standards that the NCAA is going to go on, than while I was in DC the other day, I saw every member of the ND football team gathered in a circle have a steroid and EPO part. Prove it isn’t true.