Wacky Pac-12 thought: guarantee 1 CA crossover game, permit schools to schedule the other as a non-conf game that doesn’t count in standings
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David K.
1 guaranteed vs 2 is actually worse for NW schools, less frequent so cal games as you rotate other CA school in I thought.
Brendan Loy
No, 3/5 is greater than 2/4. Six L.A. games per decade instead of five.
Brendan Loy
(The numerator is the number of interdivisional open dates per year per California team; the denominator is the number of teams in the opposite division that have to be fit into those open dates. Because there are two L.A. teams, the resulting fraction translates to the number of times per year that each Northwest school will visit L.A.)
David K.
Ok right. Sorry brain is fried right now. Still a mediocre improvement IMO.
Brendan Loy
Keep in mind, your ideal scenario with a North/South setup is 4/6. So we’re talking about the difference between 50% (2 crossovers), 60% (1 crossover) and 66.666% (no crossovers). Incremental steps, all.
David K.
Well i don’t consider a N/S split ideal in any case, so regardless it all sucks. For everyone. Who isn’t a mountain school. Pac-8 should rise up is all i’m sayin.
Brendan Loy
Fair enough, but you said you could live with an N/S split with no crossovers. Your truly ideal scenario, the Cooler, would give you L.A. games against Team A in 50% of the years, and against Team B in 25% of the years, so a total of 75%. So again, it’s all incremental steps:
Full Zipper (1 crossover): 80%
Zipper/Cooler (2 crossovers): 75%
California Zipper (2 crossovers): 75%
North/South with Stanford/Cal (0 crossovers): 67%
North/South with Stanford/Cal (1 crossover): 60%
North/South with Stanford/Cal (2 crossovers): 50%
North/South with Colorado/Utah: 67%, but no annual access to NorCal
David K.
The problem is not just how much access we get, but how much access the mountain schools get. Under the N/S plan they get 100% we get as little as 50%. Under a zipper the access for both sets of schools (NW and MT) would be the same.
In addition with a zipper, while you may not play IN SoCal every year, at least you would play a game against a SoCal team every year, which is also a bonus from a recruiting standpoint, although not AS much. With the revenue model change likely that one is less of an issue.
I wish I could sit down with Larry Scott and beat him over the head with a zipper until he gets it 🙂 Not the plan mind you, an actual zipper 😀
1 guaranteed vs 2 is actually worse for NW schools, less frequent so cal games as you rotate other CA school in I thought.
No, 3/5 is greater than 2/4. Six L.A. games per decade instead of five.
(The numerator is the number of interdivisional open dates per year per California team; the denominator is the number of teams in the opposite division that have to be fit into those open dates. Because there are two L.A. teams, the resulting fraction translates to the number of times per year that each Northwest school will visit L.A.)
Ok right. Sorry brain is fried right now. Still a mediocre improvement IMO.
Keep in mind, your ideal scenario with a North/South setup is 4/6. So we’re talking about the difference between 50% (2 crossovers), 60% (1 crossover) and 66.666% (no crossovers). Incremental steps, all.
Well i don’t consider a N/S split ideal in any case, so regardless it all sucks. For everyone. Who isn’t a mountain school. Pac-8 should rise up is all i’m sayin.
Fair enough, but you said you could live with an N/S split with no crossovers. Your truly ideal scenario, the Cooler, would give you L.A. games against Team A in 50% of the years, and against Team B in 25% of the years, so a total of 75%. So again, it’s all incremental steps:
Full Zipper (1 crossover): 80%
Zipper/Cooler (2 crossovers): 75%
California Zipper (2 crossovers): 75%
North/South with Stanford/Cal (0 crossovers): 67%
North/South with Stanford/Cal (1 crossover): 60%
North/South with Stanford/Cal (2 crossovers): 50%
North/South with Colorado/Utah: 67%, but no annual access to NorCal
The problem is not just how much access we get, but how much access the mountain schools get. Under the N/S plan they get 100% we get as little as 50%. Under a zipper the access for both sets of schools (NW and MT) would be the same.
In addition with a zipper, while you may not play IN SoCal every year, at least you would play a game against a SoCal team every year, which is also a bonus from a recruiting standpoint, although not AS much. With the revenue model change likely that one is less of an issue.
I wish I could sit down with Larry Scott and beat him over the head with a zipper until he gets it 🙂 Not the plan mind you, an actual zipper 😀